need help converting 5449-12-7 and 20320-59-6

[JJRLL]

Temperature control is also important. Keep stirring as well. The reactor must not be contaminated by other products

 

[Amp master]

I had success with 20320-59-6 liquid form but not with 5449-12-7 powder yet but I will get it for sure ;-) making some tests

btcboss2022I am other way around mate success with 5449-12-7 and no success whatsoever with 20320-59-6 liquid

 

[Bartholomeus]

Hello again,

After having some problems with the temp of the phosphoric route I decided to make small scale to test the traditional synth for BMK glycidate with HCL.

BMK 5449:H2O:HCL(37%) 1:1:3

- Solve the powder in hot water
- Add the HCL and reflux 5 hours with stirring(you can stop stirring at 2 hours for example and if it's still powder undissolved in the bottom you can add more water)
- Separate the 2 layers, wash with water the oily layer and separate it.
- Add DCM to the water layer and separate it.
- Add the separated DCM to the oily layer keep it before.
- Add anhydrous sodium sulfate to the mixture, stir and filter it.
- Evaporate the DCM.
- Now you have clean B-oil!

btcboss2022
What was the yield? Was the yield higher from Phosphoric Acid or HCL?
And what was the reflux temperature? Also 150-160C or only 120 degrees celsius?

 

[btcboss2022]

What was the yield? Was the yield higher from Phosphoric Acid or HCL?
And what was the reflux temperature? Also 150-160C or only 120 degrees celsius?

ChingShihYield is more or less the same like with phosphoric about temp is 80-90C.

 

[Saul]

my next try will be with propionic acid 99,5% boiling point 141°c and verry cheep and not on a watch list.
it is 3 times cheeper than Phosphoric acid 75%

 

[pantona123]

Yield is more or less the same like with phosphoric about temp is 80-90C.

btcboss2022Dear btc Boss thank you very much for sharing your experience, can you tell me step for step how you make from the b-oil clear amphetamin base ?

 

[pantona123]

And what are the alternatives for dcm?

 

[btcboss2022]

Dear btc Boss thank you very much for sharing your experience, can you tell me step for step how you make from the b-oil clear amphetamin base ?

pantona123

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/1-phenyl-2-propanone-p2p-leuckart-amination-to-amphetamine-and-methamphetamine-smale-scale.47/

 

[btcboss2022]

And what are the alternatives for dcm?

pantona123Ether

 

[Saul]

Ether

btcboss2022tolueen

 

[pantona123]

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/1-phenyl-2-propanone-p2p-leuckart-amination-to-amphetamine-and-methamphetamine-smale-scale.47/

btcboss2022Thank you, but in the end of this synthesis the oil is yellow not clear/white
I know both of them and know both are made from bmk/apaan but can't figure out when it will get clear/white

 

[Saul]

Thank you, but in the end of this synthesis the oil is yellow not clear/white
I know both of them and know both are made from bmk/apaan but can't figure out when it will get clear/white

pantona123
this is not possible anymore with the new BMK cas numbers

 

[btcboss2022]

Thank you, but in the end of this synthesis the oil is yellow not clear/white
I know both of them and know both are made from bmk/apaan but can't figure out when it will get clear/white

pantona123

White bmk oil?I never heard about it and never see it or have. Sorry.

 

[Bartholomeus]

cas 5449-12-7 has been tested on following procedure:
500g water, 500g bmk and 700ml phosphoric acid 75%

after 4 hours of boiling i got back yellow oil on top
i let it cool down and next day separated it and added boiling water to it 2 times to wash it
after the washing the oil became light yellow milky color
and the yield was very bad (40% - 200ml from 500g 5449)
at first i tried to add only 250ml water and 500g bmk powder but the bmk didn't dissolve and started to burn a bit so i added another 250ml water
and then the bmk finally dissolved

why is the oil now milk color? why is it not light yellow color like it was when it was converted?
and why was the yield so small? because of too much water added?
please guys share your experiences what it might be

 

[Saul]

cas 5449-12-7 has been tested on following procedure:
500g water, 500g bmk and 700ml phosphoric acid 75%
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at first i tried to add only 250ml water and 500g bmk powder but the bmk didn't dissolve and started to burn a bit so i added another 250ml water
and then the bmk finally dissolved

why is the oil now milk color? why is it not light yellow color like it was when it was converted?
and why was the yield so small? because of too much water added?
please guys share your experiences what it might be

ChingShih
what is the ph off your milk ?

if you follow my instructions step by step you had no milk

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/p2p-synthesis-from-bmk-glycidate-ethers.4307/post-13418

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this is the preparation of P2P Phenylacetone CAS 103-79-7 made use of BMK Glycidic Acid ( sodium salt ) CAS 5449-12-7 with main ingredient sulfonic acid strength is 75% CAS 7664-38-2
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we are going to prepare 1 kg of BMK
take a 5 liter double neck flask
add 500ml boiling water . start with the mixer.
now very slowly add 1kg of BMK salt. ( 30 minutes )
then add 1 liter of sulfonic acid.
and heat the contents of the flask to max temperature. plus minus 130°c. use a powerful mixer.
now connect the reflux
Let it boil in reflux for 4 hours.
take the top layer and pour it into a measuring cup.
let the bottom layer cool and save for next time. ( we have no chemical waste for this preparation method )

now boil 1 liter of water and add it to the measuring cup. use a hand mixer to mix everything.
After mixing for a few minutes, let the measuring cup cool to room temperature.
remove the top white layer (this is water and waste that we don't need)
the bottom layer is P2P purified and ready to use.

ps: in this preparation we don't have to worry about water remaining in our P2P because water weighs less than P2P

ps2: if you keep these ratios, the P2P will have a ph value of 4 .
if you use more sulfonic acid the ph value will drop to 1. Therefore it is not necessary to use too much sulfonic acid.

 

[Never to sleep]

what is the ph off your milk ?

if you follow my instructions step by step you had no milk

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/p2p-synthesis-from-bmk-glycidate-ethers.4307/post-13418

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this is the preparation of P2P Phenylacetone CAS 103-79-7 made use of BMK Glycidic Acid ( sodium salt ) CAS 5449-12-7 with main ingredient sulfonic acid strength is 75% CAS 7664-38-2
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
we are going to prepare 1 kg of BMK
take a 5 liter double neck flask
add 500ml boiling water . start with the mixer.
now very slowly add 1kg of BMK salt. ( 30 minutes )
then add 1 liter of sulfonic acid.
and heat the contents of the flask to max temperature. plus minus 130°c. use a powerful mixer.
now connect the reflux
Let it boil in reflux for 4 hours.
take the top layer and pour it into a measuring cup.
let the bottom layer cool and save for next time. ( we have no chemical waste for this preparation method )

now boil 1 liter of water and add it to the measuring cup. use a hand mixer to mix everything.
After mixing for a few minutes, let the measuring cup cool to room temperature.
remove the top white layer (this is water and waste that we don't need)
the bottom layer is P2P purified and ready to use.

ps: in this preparation we don't have to worry about water remaining in our P2P because water weighs less than P2P

ps2: if you keep these ratios, the P2P will have a ph value of 4 .
if you use more sulfonic acid the ph value will drop to 1. Therefore it is not necessary to use too much sulfonic acid.

T0RWhich "sulfonic acid" did you use?

Sulfonic acids are a class of organic compounds which contain a sulfonic acid group (-SO3H) attached to a carbon. You sulfonate an aromatic compound to form a molecule which contains the sulfonic acid functional group. But to my knowledge no such thing as "sulfonic acid" exists.

Which aromatic compound did you sulfonate?

Can you provide a CAS number of what you're talking about? Your route sounds very interesting but it depends on the originating aromatic compound due to the price.

Or did you mean sulfuric acid (H2SO4)?

 

[Bartholomeus]

what is the ph off your milk ?

if you follow my instructions step by step you had no milk

http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/p2p-synthesis-from-bmk-glycidate-ethers.4307/post-13418

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this is the preparation of P2P Phenylacetone CAS 103-79-7 made use of BMK Glycidic Acid ( sodium salt ) CAS 5449-12-7 with main ingredient sulfonic acid strength is 75% CAS 7664-38-2
-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------
we are going to prepare 1 kg of BMK
take a 5 liter double neck flask
add 500ml boiling water . start with the mixer.
now very slowly add 1kg of BMK salt. ( 30 minutes )
then add 1 liter of sulfonic acid.
and heat the contents of the flask to max temperature. plus minus 130°c. use a powerful mixer.
now connect the reflux
Let it boil in reflux for 4 hours.
take the top layer and pour it into a measuring cup.
let the bottom layer cool and save for next time. ( we have no chemical waste for this preparation method )

now boil 1 liter of water and add it to the measuring cup. use a hand mixer to mix everything.
After mixing for a few minutes, let the measuring cup cool to room temperature.
remove the top white layer (this is water and waste that we don't need)
the bottom layer is P2P purified and ready to use.

ps: in this preparation we don't have to worry about water remaining in our P2P because water weighs less than P2P

ps2: if you keep these ratios, the P2P will have a ph value of 4 .
if you use more sulfonic acid the ph value will drop to 1. Therefore it is not necessary to use too much sulfonic acid.

Saul
I have to measure the ph of my milk
Maybe i added to much water, but the problem is the 250ml water at the start wasn't enough to dissolve 500g of bmk powder
So i then added again 250ml of water, and then everything dissolved smoothly, after that when bmk dissolved in water
i added 720ml of phosphoric acid 75% to the flask, and proceed to boil reflux for 4 hours
after 1 hour there was already the oil on top, but i still made the reflux for 4 hours
and after it was finished, transparent-yellow oil was on top
But after washing it with water it became this milk color
i don't know why, and the yield is only 40% which is very bad i know this
Next time I will make experiment with: 300ml water, 500g powder and 1L of phosphoric acid 75%

what is your yield @Saul from 5449? 60-70% after washing with boiling water?

 

[yourguy]

I have to measure the ph of my milk
Maybe i added to much water, but the problem is the 250ml water at the start wasn't enough to dissolve 500g of bmk powder
So i then added again 250ml of water, and then everything dissolved smoothly, after that when bmk dissolved in water
i added 720ml of phosphoric acid 75% to the flask, and proceed to boil reflux for 4 hours
after 1 hour there was already the oil on top, but i still made the reflux for 4 hours
and after it was finished, transparent-yellow oil was on top
But after washing it with water it became this milk color
i don't know why, and the yield is only 40% which is very bad i know this
Next time I will make experiment with: 300ml water, 500g powder and 1L of phosphoric acid 75%

what is your yield @Saul from 5449? 60-70% after washing with boiling water?

BartholomeusHey buddy, was wondering if you figured it out how to turn BMK powder to P2P if so is it possible to get the recipe please having a hard time with it

 

[Saul]

But after washing it with water it became this milk color

ChingShih
do you boil 2 liters off water for washing ?

when you add the boiling water to the P2P it must be cool down completely before separate
I wait 6 hours for doing this

 

[Bartholomeus]

do you boil 2 liters off water for washing ?

when you add the boiling water to the P2P it must be cool down completely before separate
I wait 6 hours for doing this

Saul
only one experiment was done which i posted here
thanks for all the tips have to try it again

 

[Saul]

I fail for the 7th time the last step off this syntheses
Fucking HCl fuck that shit !
al syntheses with HCl are shit
don't get it that there are still experts that promote HCl

 

[UWe9o12jkied91d]

Ah yes, Big Chlorine fools another, when will they stop getting away with it??