PMK Oil Synthesys From PMK (CAS 28578-16-7 Wax Form) Large Scale

[Bennychairman]

8. Discard the water top layer.
9. Put again in the reactor the oil top layer.

how many layers will there be? the top was discarded water and then ?

 

[Field7]

8. Discard the water top layer.
9. Put again in the reactor the oil top layer.

how many layers will there be? the top was discarded water and then ?

BennychairmanI saw that, too. That's a typo. There should just be two layers. I'd expect the oil layer to fall to the bottom. Separate the top, aquas layer, and discard. Keep the bottom oil layer for the next step. Then, later, if using DCM, your end product will be in the non-aquas bottom DCM layer. If you substitute Toluene or Diethyl Ether for DCM (like someone else asked about doing), your product will be in the non-aquas upper layer. DCM, down. Toluene and Diethyl Ether, up. I'd suggest you stick with DCM because it can be separated using low heat unlike Toluene, and doesn't pose quite the same fire hazard that DE does. It is a carcinogen, though, and *does have a low flash point*. Use a well ventilated space, and collect in a chilled vessel for reuse.

 

[Dafunkphenomena]

Hello,

After check and test the methods posted in the thread http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhn...-methyl-pmk-glycidate-conversion-to-pmk.2013/ I decided the post the best method for me:

1. Put 47,5 liters of H2O in the reactor and add 2,5kg of sodium bicarbonate, stirring until complete dissolution, take out the mixture and keep it.
2. Put in the reactor 7L of H2O
3. Add while stirring 1,2kg of sodium hydroxide
4. While the H2O and the sodium hydroxide are mixing and getting temp put 5kG of wax PMK to melt by low heat.
5. When PMK is melted add it to the reactor and put the mixture at 80C reflux during 1 hour stirring.
6. Add 3,25kg of HCL 37% in small portions, once all added keep the mixture at 80C reflux during 1 hour stirring.
7. Stop stirring and put the mixture at 25C
8. Discard the water top layer.
9. Put again in the reactor the oil top layer.
10. Add the H2O and sodium bicarbonate mixture, stirring 2-3 minutes.
11. Add 10 liters of DCM( from freezer preferably)
12. Let it get separated around 10-15 min.
13. Evaporate DCM from the bottom layer.

Yield: 3,72kg of PMK oil

btcboss2022
Hello , thats my method, (im Fring, just lost the fucking password)
ive seen you added some steps, questions:

you deceided to use sodium bicarbonate instead of NaOH washings , why exactly? (i tried both all worked)
and in the final step, you say "evaporate the DCM from the bottom" , why evaporate? would not be better separate the layers?
or you mean , after separate put it to vacuum distill to get rid of some possible water residues?

and the PMK colour? dark red-brown, or yellowish as the old one?

 

[Field7]

Hello , thats my method, (im Fring, just lost the fucking password)
ive seen you added some steps, questions:

you deceided to use sodium bicarbonate instead of NaOH washings , why exactly? (i tried both all worked)
and in the final step, you say "evaporate the DCM from the bottom" , why evaporate? would not be better separate the layers?
or you mean , after separate put it to vacuum distill to get rid of some possible water residues?

and the PMK colour? dark red-brown, or yellowish as the old one?

DafunkphenomenaYou do separate it. You separate the bottom layer, which is composed of DCM and Product, and then evaporate the DCM from *what was the bottom layer* (I'd use a hot water bath) to leave your (dirty, but clean enough for most) product. Steam distillion of the product would be a good idea, I think.

If someone is familiar with the chemistry, they know there's a bundle of variations you could apply.

 

[G.Patton]

Perfect, I shall. Just wanted to make sure because there seems to be a lot of confusion about pmk oil and its different versions.
Thanks

CuriousonionThis post is good explanation, which was posted @btcboss2022 (thank you). I confirm, that it is proved and working method.

 

[FredDurst]

This post is good explanation, which was posted @btcboss2022 (thank you). I confirm, that it is proved and working method.

G.PattonIs there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

 

[Precursor-supplier]

Is there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

FredDurstI can provide

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Is there any alternative to DCM (Toluene maybe?) as its hard to get in my country?

FredDurstboiling of tolueen is problem.

 

[Curiousonion]

Do you use ammonium acetate for the reduction or MeNH2 gas?

 

[Field7]

Do you use ammonium acetate for the reduction or MeNH2 gas?

Curiousonion+ Ammonium Acetate = MDA
+ MeNH2 = MDMA

Up to you.

 

[btcboss2022]

Here is the last batch of the fake MDMA ;-)

btcboss2022From 1.25kg from PMK oil(from PMK powder form) I got 1.3kg of final stuff.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

From 1.25kg from PMK oil(from PMK powder form) I got 1.3kg of final stuff.

btcboss2022Do you mean 1.3 kg of base or hydrochloride?

 

[btcboss2022]

Do you mean 1.3 kg of base or hydrochloride?

Mr Good CatHCL

 

[Gale]

One of my very early synths, back when it only made sense to make product of this purity, but not very many people appreciate it for what it is..sadly.

This was back before when I did synths for a passion, being locked in labs told to make purple shit was whack.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

One of my very early synths, back when it only made sense to make product of this purity, but not very many people appreciate it for what it is..sadly.

This was back before when I did synths for a passion, being locked in labs told to make purple shit was whack.

GaleMost beautiful MDMA I've ever seen. Is it MDMA HCL? How you make it so transparent bro? I can make MDMA HCL pure white, not difficult. But still can achieve high transparency.

 

[Precursor-supplier]

There is need for pmk oil/powder
You can contact me

 

[workworkwork]

With the new improvement in yield where I have to extract the PMK oil from bottom layer and top layer, do I still need separate both layers or can I remove steps 7, 8 and 9?

I mean, after "6. Add 3,25kg of HCL 37% in small portions, once all added keep the mixture at 80 °C reflux during 1 hour stirring.", can I go directly to "10. Add the H2O and sodium bicarbonate mixture, stirring 2-3 minutes." ?

 

[btcboss2022]

With the new improvement in yield where I have to extract the PMK oil from bottom layer and top layer, do I still need separate both layers or can I remove steps 7, 8 and 9?

I mean, after "6. Add 3,25kg of HCL 37% in small portions, once all added keep the mixture at 80 °C reflux during 1 hour stirring.", can I go directly to "10. Add the H2O and sodium bicarbonate mixture, stirring 2-3 minutes." ?

workworkworkYou must separate layers.

 

[Gannicus]

Hello,

After check and test the methods posted in the thread http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhn...-methyl-pmk-glycidate-conversion-to-pmk.2013/ I decided the post the best method for me:

1. Put 47,5 liters of H2O in the reactor and add 2,5kg of sodium bicarbonate, stirring until complete dissolution, take out the mixture and keep it.
2. Put in the reactor 7L of H2O
3. Add while stirring 1,2kg of sodium hydroxide
4. While the H2O and the sodium hydroxide are mixing and getting temp put 5kG of wax PMK to melt by low heat.
5. When PMK is melted add it to the reactor and put the mixture at 80 °C reflux during 1 hour stirring.
6. Add 3,25kg of HCL 37% in small portions, once all added keep the mixture at 80 °C reflux during 1 hour stirring.
7. Stop stirring and put the mixture at 25 °C.
8. Discard the water top layer.
9. Put again in the reactor the oil top layer.
10. Add the H2O and sodium bicarbonate mixture, stirring 2-3 minutes.
11. Add 10 liters of DCM (from freezer preferably).
12. Let it get separated around 10-15 min.
13. Evaporate DCM from the bottom layer.

PMK oil (MDP2P; cas 4676-39-5) yield is 3,72kg.

btcboss2022What Temp should step 6 be ran at? How fast should the addition of acid be? drop wise? 10g at a time? This seems to be the step that ruins the runs. Using phosphoric acid instead of HCl, what temps is best to be at while adding acid? how much to add at a time?

 

[Gannicus]

There is no discussion on starting temps of addition of PMKe to naoh solution nor the HCl , these are the 2 most crucial points of the reaction, temps and addition speed, drop wise etc. thank you

 

[Loki12]

There is no discussion on starting temps of addition of PMKe to naoh solution nor the HCl , these are the 2 most crucial points of the reaction, temps and addition speed, drop wise etc. thank you

Gannicusroom temperature my nig, room temperature, as with any other reaction where you basify or acidify the mother liquor, you want it to be as cold and slow as possible to not raise temperature and not get side-products. you can't start from the freezer obviously at the very beginning because its a shit rock already and you need heat to melt it, so the lowest temperature that you can, right? then you let temperature fall after refluxing it, you work the mixture and you acidify, there is no discussion, because it is implied that if you have a kilogram of MDP2P that you at least ran a basic A/B extraction first and therefore would not need to ask this

 

[Paranoia]

On the current market it is definitelly the strongest without doubt, to compare the Mexican or the Canadian it is real shit, weak and dirty, opposite of this pure Dmeth completely clean and a power never tested before. Thanks to the chemist for convinced me to take a test, next step I order today 1/2 kilo today..
Thats all folks!!!!
Power on a scale of 1 to 10 (I give 13), Long lasting I give 15...
I thought I had best drugs meth with me I was mistaken for 30 years I never tried a so powerful product in all my life. in short, I was seriously wrong in my appreciation of Methamphetamine which turns in the world. I think and follow that here in this forum there is the most gifted chemists to produce pure D-Meth, super powerful, it takes you to the stars ...
if I was in your place I will try my luck , contact Mr. him as soon as possible .... should he still agree to sell you? Ah ah, try it it is worth it..PEACE

 

[Paranoia]

On the current market it is definitelly the strongest without doubt, to compare the Mexican or the Canadian it is real shit, weak and dirty, opposite of this pure Dmeth completely clean and a power never tested before. Thanks to the chemist for convinced me to take a test, next step I order today 1/2 kilo today..
Thats all folks!!!!
Power on a scale of 1 to 10 (I give 13), Long lasting I give 15...
I thought I had best drugs meth with me I was mistaken for 30 years I never tried a so powerful product in all my life. in short, I was seriously wrong in my appreciation of Methamphetamine which turns in the world. I think and follow that here in this forum there is the most gifted chemists to produce pure D-Meth, super powerful, it takes you to the stars ...
if I was in your place I will try my luck , contact Mr. him as soon as possible .... should he still agree to sell you? Ah ah, try it it is worth it..PEACE

Paranoia

btcboss2022​

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[ENZO]

Hello, 4676-39-5 (MDP2P) is the same as P2NP right ?

 

[btcboss2022]

Hello, 4676-39-5 (MDP2P) is the same as P2NP right ?

ENZOObviously not!Different CAS different products!

 

[jamesdavies]

Does any one have any good alternative choices for acid for the decarb and hydrolysis?
HCl and phosphoric have just been added to the EPP regulation in my country, not possible to buy anymore without EPP licence or business and bussiness address, proof of use and full Identification.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Does any one have any good alternative choices for acid for the decarb and hydrolysis?
HCl and phosphoric have just been added to the EPP regulation in my country, not possible to buy anymore without EPP licence or business and bussiness address, proof of use and full Identification.

jamesdaviesYou can get HCl gas by yourself, it is not difficult. All you need you may buy in the nearest store selling some shit for cars and house keeping.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Does any one have any good alternative choices for acid for the decarb and hydrolysis?
HCl and phosphoric have just been added to the EPP regulation in my country, not possible to buy anymore without EPP licence or business and bussiness address, proof of use and full Identification.

jamesdaviescitric acid, diluted sulfuric acid.

 

[Mr Good Cat]

Does any one have any good alternative choices for acid for the decarb and hydrolysis?
HCl and phosphoric have just been added to the EPP regulation in my country, not possible to buy anymore without EPP licence or business and bussiness address, proof of use and full Identification.

jamesdaviesWhen I was younger, my friends involved in clandestine chemistry did as below:
1. battery electrolyte taken and put on the stove for evap. Evaporation continues till density 1.8 gr per 1.0 ml reached.
2. Some glass vessel with hose prepared, and NaCl (kitchen salt) placed inside.
3. Obtained electrolyte put in the vessel in proportions 2 ml per 1 gr of salt.
4. Vessel closed. HCl gas obtained from hose.

 

[syntheticdrugs]

When I was younger, my friends involved in clandestine chemistry did as below:
1. battery electrolyte taken and put on the stove for evap. Evaporation continues till density 1.8 gr per 1.0 ml reached.
2. Some glass vessel with hose prepared, and NaCl (kitchen salt) placed inside.
3. Obtained electrolyte put in the vessel in proportions 2 ml per 1 gr of salt.
4. Vessel closed. HCl gas obtained from hose.

Mr Good Cat@G.Patton Hello, I remember there is a similar article, but I can’t find it